Comments on: Publishers Killing the Faith - Example 45,300 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/ If it\'s Catholic we\'ll talk about it and probably sell it. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:42:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: JEAN http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1007 JEAN Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:25:58 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1007 A CHILD CAME UP TO ME AT A CHRISTMAS GATHERING WHERE I HAD JUST SAT DOWN A PLATE OF COOKIES THAT MY HUSBAND AND I HAD WORKED VERY HARD TO DECORATE. SHE PROCEEDED TO LICK EVERY ONE. I TOLD HER TO LEAVE THE TABLE AND HER BAD MANNERS BEHIND. WHILE SHE HAD RUINED SIX COOKIES I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE TERRIBLE PART. THE TERRIBLE PART WAS ALL OF THE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN WHO IN THAT MOMENT REALLY DID NOT LIKE HER AT ALL. I THINK THE ANSWER IS ABOUT LOVE, NOT ABOUT INDEPENDENCE. A CHILD SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO RUIN HERSELF FROM THE GETGO. GOD INTENDED FOR US TO TEACH RIGHT FROM WRONG SO THAT WE COULD PRESERVE OUR RELATIONSHIPS AND ENCOURAGE TRUST AND INDEPENDENCE. I AM SORRY THAT PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. A CHILD CAME UP TO ME AT A CHRISTMAS GATHERING WHERE I HAD JUST SAT DOWN A PLATE OF COOKIES THAT MY HUSBAND AND I HAD WORKED VERY HARD TO DECORATE. SHE PROCEEDED TO LICK EVERY ONE. I TOLD HER TO LEAVE THE TABLE AND HER BAD MANNERS BEHIND.

WHILE SHE HAD RUINED SIX COOKIES I DIDN’T THINK THAT WAS THE TERRIBLE PART. THE TERRIBLE PART WAS ALL OF THE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN WHO IN THAT MOMENT REALLY DID NOT LIKE HER AT ALL.

I THINK THE ANSWER IS ABOUT LOVE, NOT ABOUT INDEPENDENCE. A CHILD SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO RUIN HERSELF FROM THE GETGO. GOD INTENDED FOR US TO TEACH RIGHT FROM WRONG SO THAT WE COULD PRESERVE OUR RELATIONSHIPS AND ENCOURAGE TRUST AND INDEPENDENCE. I AM SORRY THAT PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.

]]> By: i am the son http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1006 i am the son Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:58:04 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1006 When Jesus walked the planet, he was reported to have railed against the likes of the scribes, pharisees and hypocrites. It is said we will all have to atone for our sins or misdeeds, but there are times man puts his version of a misdeed out there and if he is charismatic enough, people will eventually adopt it as God's will. Jesus mentioned something about casting pearls to the swine, didn't he? When Jesus walked the planet, he was reported to have railed against the likes of the scribes, pharisees and hypocrites.

It is said we will all have to atone for our sins or misdeeds, but there are times man puts his version of a misdeed out there and if he is charismatic enough, people will eventually adopt it as God’s will.

Jesus mentioned something about casting pearls to the swine, didn’t he?

]]> By: Chad Jarbern http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1005 Chad Jarbern Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:35:26 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1005 It would be so nice if one of my biggest worries in life was a book that painted my religion in a bad light It would be so nice if one of my biggest worries in life was a book that painted my religion in a bad light

]]> By: Choosing Catholic Publishers and Books « Musings from a Catholic Bookstore http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1008 Choosing Catholic Publishers and Books « Musings from a Catholic Bookstore Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:13:13 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1008 [...] Catholic Publishers and Books Following up on yesterday’s post about the anti-holiness kids book published by Paulist Press, I thought it might be helpful to go through the various publishers we [...] [...] Catholic Publishers and Books Following up on yesterday’s post about the anti-holiness kids book published by Paulist Press, I thought it might be helpful to go through the various publishers we [...]

]]> By: Richard Boisvert http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1009 Richard Boisvert Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:13:07 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1009 For Bernardo... It is not a "conviction that man is born imperfect" it is a matter of truth, as taught by Holy Mother the Church. All men are called to be Holy by Christ. God knows we can never live up to the Holiness of God whilst we are alive. It is only when through His Son's affectacious Death and Resurrection can we enter into Holiness with him in Heaven. Catholic Doctrine: Man is born stained with Original Sin. It is through the ministration of the Sacraments by other men that he becomes good. Society is necessary for man to develop his natural and supernatural life and thus to fulfil the purpose of his existence (cf encyclical Immortale Dei (Pope Leo XIII), p.73). Vivat Christus Rex. Richard For Bernardo…
It is not a “conviction that man is born imperfect” it is a matter of truth, as taught by Holy Mother the Church. All men are called to be Holy by Christ. God knows we can never live up to the Holiness of God whilst we are alive. It is only when through His Son’s affectacious Death and Resurrection can we enter into Holiness with him in Heaven.

Catholic Doctrine: Man is born stained with Original Sin. It is through the ministration of the Sacraments by other men that he becomes good. Society is necessary for man to develop his natural and supernatural life and thus to fulfil the purpose of his existence (cf encyclical Immortale Dei (Pope Leo XIII), p.73).

Vivat Christus Rex.
Richard

]]> By: Ian http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1001 Ian Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:58:27 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1001 This book isn't part one in a series and makes no attempt to point in a direction beyond "I'm not a saint and never will be." It's nice to assume that the book is supposed to be the starting point for discussion but there isn't any evidence that it is. This book isn’t part one in a series and makes no attempt to point in a direction beyond “I’m not a saint and never will be.” It’s nice to assume that the book is supposed to be the starting point for discussion but there isn’t any evidence that it is.

]]> By: Joyangel123 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1004 Joyangel123 Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:43:43 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1004 I think she has it right, but that is not the end of the story is it. We are supposed to realize that we are sinners and that no matter what we do we can never be good enough to enter the kingdom of God no matter who how good we are. So realizing and admitting you are flawed is definitely the right path. The next step would be realizing that that because of Jesus we can be transformed by the Holy ghost that comes and lives within us when we believe that Jesus Christ came to earth, lives a sinless life as a man, died on the cross for our sins and rose again destroying forever the power of death over mankind. But it is a free gift that has to be simply accepted. It is not by works least any man should boast. Joyangel123 http://gatesofrighteousness.blogspot.com I think she has it right, but that is not the end of the story is it. We are supposed to realize that we are sinners and that no matter what we do we can never be good enough to enter the kingdom of God no matter who how good we are. So realizing and admitting you are flawed is definitely the right path.

The next step would be realizing that that because of Jesus we can be transformed by the Holy ghost that comes and lives within us when we believe that Jesus Christ came to earth, lives a sinless life as a man, died on the cross for our sins and rose again destroying forever the power of death over mankind. But it is a free gift that has to be simply accepted. It is not by works least any man should boast.

Joyangel123
http://gatesofrighteousness.blogspot.com

]]> By: Laura Britto http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1003 Laura Britto Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:39:39 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1003 Perhaps I am Pollyanna-ish, but I think the story is supposed to serve as a launching point for discussion. Perhaps that is too interactive for some, but it would seem to me to be a step in the right direction. This story could give rise to verbal intercourse between youth and adult, explaining why the two (individuality and sainthood) are not necessarily diametrically opposed. Perhaps I am Pollyanna-ish, but I think the story is supposed to serve as a launching point for discussion. Perhaps that is too interactive for some, but it would seem to me to be a step in the right direction. This story could give rise to verbal intercourse between youth and adult, explaining why the two (individuality and sainthood) are not necessarily diametrically opposed.

]]> By: zombie z http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1002 zombie z Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:10:10 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1002 "How sad to be encouraging pride in one’s spirit of independence" indeed! How dare children think for themselves! How dare people be encouraged to believe the way they understand to be RIGHT, "humility and obedience" be damned! If God is about "obedience" while Satan represents "independence," I'll take Satan any day, kthx. “How sad to be encouraging pride in one’s spirit of independence” indeed! How dare children think for themselves! How dare people be encouraged to believe the way they understand to be RIGHT, “humility and obedience” be damned!

If God is about “obedience” while Satan represents “independence,” I’ll take Satan any day, kthx.

]]> By: Peadar Ban http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1010 Peadar Ban Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:30:52 +0000 http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2007/12/27/publishers-killing-the-faith-example-45300/#comment-1010 I have a relative who works at Paulist books in Mahwah, NJ. They are a dying imprint, and deservedly so. The telling quote is the one you included in your story. It shows that the author, and the Paulists by extension, haven't the faintest idea about the nature of sainthood, or the way to it; a Way which is open to everyone on the planet, and welcomes them, no matter how many tables they insist on crawling under. Little Elizabeth is glad about her "strong spirit", even if it means she gets into trouble. How sad to be encouraging pride in one's spirit of independence; exactly what got Satan in the fix he is in. Where is there any mention made of humility and obedience? I have a relative who works at Paulist books in Mahwah, NJ. They are a dying imprint, and deservedly so.

The telling quote is the one you included in your story.

It shows that the author, and the Paulists by extension, haven’t the faintest idea about the nature of sainthood, or the way to it; a Way which is open to everyone on the planet, and welcomes them, no matter how many tables they insist on crawling under.

Little Elizabeth is glad about her “strong spirit”, even if it means she gets into trouble. How sad to be encouraging pride in one’s spirit of independence; exactly what got Satan in the fix he is in.

Where is there any mention made of humility and obedience?

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